306 Le samouraï
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology. So there is potentially a third way as opposed to the banjaxed Pathé resto or the Criterion HD master. As evinced by the version on Tavernier's doco....And I promise that this is positively the last time I mention this after 3 posts on the subject.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
Really? When was that confirmed?NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology.
It wasn't in their DVD box and it wasn't mentioned as being included in the BFI press statement. And the image used from the film on the BFI webpage about the upcoming Melville season is credited to the BFI, whereas the other films from the boxset are credited to other distributors and StudioCanal (e.g. SC/Park Circus or SC/Rialto).
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
See the listing on Amazon.frmistakaninja wrote:Really? When was that confirmed?NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology.
It wasn't in their DVD box and it wasn't mentioned as being included in the BFI press statement. And the image used from the film on the BFI webpage about the upcoming Melville season is credited to the BFI, whereas the other films from the boxset are credited to other distributors and StudioCanal (e.g. SC/Park Circus or SC/Rialto).
- tenia
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
It could very well be a deal with Pathé to include the Pathé disc in the set, just like it was for the Campion and the Almodovar sets.NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology. So there is potentially a third way as opposed to the banjaxed Pathé resto or the Criterion HD master. As evinced by the version on Tavernier's doco....And I promise that this is positively the last time I mention this after 3 posts on the subject.
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That's why I qualified it with 'potentially'. Perhaps Ten you have the answer as to why the clips on the Tavernier doc look so much better than the Pathé version ???tenia wrote:It could very well be a deal with Pathé to include the Pathé disc in the set, just like it was for the Campion and the Almodovar sets.NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology. So there is potentially a third way as opposed to the banjaxed Pathé resto or the Criterion HD master. As evinced by the version on Tavernier's doco....And I promise that this is positively the last time I mention this after 3 posts on the subject.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I think this is pretty much how it will look barring compression issues. The clip looks pretty good to me. I'll take it.Drucker wrote:Also, I think the trailer on the Criterion site is pretty damn close to the color I saw the other month in 35mm.
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I havent watched the doc' and have no clue as to why. It could simply be that the restoration is bad but the BD is also filtered specifically on top of it, hence the difference ?NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:That's why I qualified it with 'potentially'. Perhaps Ten you have the answer as to why the clips on the Tavernier doc look so much better than the Pathé version ???tenia wrote:It could very well be a deal with Pathé to include the Pathé disc in the set, just like it was for the Campion and the Almodovar sets.NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Samourai is to be included in the Studio Canal Melville anthology. So there is potentially a third way as opposed to the banjaxed Pathé resto or the Criterion HD master. As evinced by the version on Tavernier's doco....And I promise that this is positively the last time I mention this after 3 posts on the subject.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I emailed Jon Mulvaney about the fact that none of the November releases were listing a Trailer in their respective supplements list, despite the fact that each had the trailer on their previous DVD releases. He replied to me that Le Samourai & Jabberwocky will include the trailer.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
No acknowledgment in that review of this title's troubled history on Blu-ray?
- tenia
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I'm unsure Gary followed any of it since it happened mostly in France.
It's Beaver's caps so they need to be taken with a pinch of salt, but this just looks like to me like an old HD master with its coarse grain. It probably is better than the awful French release, but if the disc indeed looks like this, I don't see many reason to particularly praise it. It's... OK.david hare wrote:Yeah, there's no question Criterion has nailed it! Looks great in every respect.
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As a gentle reminder we will see next week what the Melville SC french box has to offer. As I keep harping on I have seen a better version via the Tavernier doc. which may or may not be a viable alternative used by SC
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I'm not.david hare wrote:I think youre being unduly negative given every other master out there including the Pathe mk. 2.
I understand the Criterion disc can be better than the Pathé disc, but it's hardly an achievement and I don't think this should be cause for celebration because there definitely still seem to be much space for improvement there.
The new restoration was garbage. This Criterion one is, well, a dated HD master. Both seem unsatisfying at various levels and a proper new restoration would most certainly noticeably improve on the Criterion disc. We're probably lucky it's not a poor dated HD master à la L'ange exterminateur or Sword of Doom, but still. It should be updated.
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No wonder they banned you on BD.com. Even they have a standards.tenia wrote:I'm not.david hare wrote:I think youre being unduly negative given every other master out there including the Pathe mk. 2.
I understand the Criterion disc can be better than the Pathé disc, but it's hardly an achievement and I don't think this should be cause for celebration because there definitely still seem to be much space for improvement there.
The new restoration was garbage. This Criterion one is, well, a dated HD master. Both seem unsatisfying at various levels and a proper new restoration would most certainly noticeably improve on the Criterion disc. We're probably lucky it's not a poor dated HD master à la L'ange exterminateur or Sword of Doom, but still. It should be updated.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I strongly suggest you reconsider the advisability of posting this sort of comment....John Doe wrote:No wonder they banned you on BD.com. Even they have a standards.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
Beyond John Doe's comments being unnecessary and rude, as far as I'm concerned, Tenia is right. The disc doesn't look bad, but Tenia's assessment is right on, and as I've been pointing out since I saw the 35mm print a few months ago, the Criterion disc just isn't blue enough, and this blu-ray doesn't change that. I maintain that the trailer posted on the release page is the closest to what I saw theatrically.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
Please refrain from baldly insulting other members. Thank you!John Doe wrote:No wonder they banned you on BD.com. Even they have a standards.tenia wrote:I'm not.david hare wrote:I think youre being unduly negative given every other master out there including the Pathe mk. 2.
I understand the Criterion disc can be better than the Pathé disc, but it's hardly an achievement and I don't think this should be cause for celebration because there definitely still seem to be much space for improvement there.
The new restoration was garbage. This Criterion one is, well, a dated HD master. Both seem unsatisfying at various levels and a proper new restoration would most certainly noticeably improve on the Criterion disc. We're probably lucky it's not a poor dated HD master à la L'ange exterminateur or Sword of Doom, but still. It should be updated.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
Again, I'm not dismissing the Criterion release as such, and I'm quite certain it could be an improvement over the FUBAR Pathé release.
But all things considered, it still remains seemingly a relatively old HD master, that was created on a Spirit Datacine about 12-13 years ago. Without taking into consideration any color timing discussion, it just looks as most similarly dated HD master and I strongly believe any proper recent 2K restoration would easily improve on it.
But all things considered, it still remains seemingly a relatively old HD master, that was created on a Spirit Datacine about 12-13 years ago. Without taking into consideration any color timing discussion, it just looks as most similarly dated HD master and I strongly believe any proper recent 2K restoration would easily improve on it.
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Tooze is applying double standards here by saying the French BD wasn't worthwhile comparing with it not being English-friendly. If that's the criteria then what he is doing reviewing BDs of other films that don't have English subs either (Japanese BDs of French films)? Very disingenous.
FWIW, I'm not tempted to upgrade my DVD either, certainly not for this BD.
FWIW, I'm not tempted to upgrade my DVD either, certainly not for this BD.
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MK2 and Criterion have already got their versions on the table. Who is going to do another proper restoration? Unlike the Pathé release, the Criterion looks very good, even if we admit the possibility of improving upon it. Unless one is prepared to wait for an indeterminate length of time for a version that may or may not happen, Criterion seems to be the best option.tenia wrote:Again, I'm not dismissing the Criterion release as such, and I'm quite certain it could be an improvement over the FUBAR Pathé release.
But all things considered, it still remains seemingly a relatively old HD master, that was created on a Spirit Datacine about 12-13 years ago. Without taking into consideration any color timing discussion, it just looks as most similarly dated HD master and I strongly believe any proper recent 2K restoration would easily improve on it.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
This is not the first French film to have a hideous restoration, and if it's anything like the others, it's likely that this is what we are stuck with for some time: a dated master or a butchered restoration.
- tenia
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I believe Criterion is using the HD master they used for their 2005 DVD.
- tenia
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Again, I understand how the Criterion most likely will be serviceable, but I just think it could be finer etc. I also cant speak for the colors being right or not, you know way better than me on this topic.
And yeah, the Rene Chateau most certainly still also is a good DVD alternative.
And yeah, the Rene Chateau most certainly still also is a good DVD alternative.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
35mm prints can be amazing, but color reproduction in 35mm projection is highly dependent on the color temperature of the projection bulb used which should match the color temperature used for timing the print. If you don't know those two details, or if the print is old or from a different country (different timing standards in some labs based on local projection bulb color temperature realities) or if the bulb is old or if the bulb is set to life preserving lower settings there is really no way to know if a theatrical screening of a well timed print is authoritative or reflective of the intended color temperatures.Drucker wrote:Beyond John Doe's comments being unnecessary and rude, as far as I'm concerned, Tenia is right. The disc doesn't look bad, but Tenia's assessment is right on, and as I've been pointing out since I saw the 35mm print a few months ago, the Criterion disc just isn't blue enough, and this blu-ray doesn't change that. I maintain that the trailer posted on the release page is the closest to what I saw theatrically.
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Re: 306 Le samouraï
I remember a London rep cinema whose screenings would visibly change colour temperature halfway through as the projectionist switched over to the second projector. (Each had feels big enough to handle up to an hour of film.)