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1228 Farewell My Concubine

#1 Post by swo17 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:40 am

Farewell My Concubine

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A breathtakingly intimate romance unfolds against a sweeping backdrop of social upheaval in renowned director Chen Kaige's sumptuous saga of passion, fate, and the transcendent possibilities of art. Spanning fifty years of twentieth-century Chinese history, Farewell My Concubine follows aspiring actors Dieyi (a heartbreaking Leslie Cheung) and Xiaolou (Zhang Fengyi) as they emerge from a childhood of brutal training to become Beijing-opera stars, with life mirroring art as Dieyi's unrequited love for Xiaolou and the country's changing political tides engulf them in their own personal tragedies of jealousy and betrayal. The first Chinese film to win the Palme d'Or is epic filmmaking of the highest order—visually and emotionally ravishing from frame to exquisite frame.

4K UHD + BLU-RAY SPECIAL EDITION FEATURES

• New 4K digital restoration of the original director's cut, with 5.1 surround DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack
• One 4K UHD disc of the film and one Blu-ray with the film and special features
• New conversation between Chinese-cultural-studies scholar Michael Berry and producer Janet Yang
• Documentary from 2003 on the making of the film
• Interview from 1993 with director Chen Kaige conducted by journalist Charlie Rose
• Trailer
• New English subtitle translation
• PLUS: An essay by author and scholar Pauline Chen

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#2 Post by What A Disgrace » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:53 am

Chucking my BFI disc into a box to give to a friend. This is my favorite of this month's eye gougingly good announcements.

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#3 Post by soundchaser » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:57 am

Is this the first mainland Chinese film in the collection?

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#4 Post by andyli » Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:03 pm

If not counting the 2008 Olympic Games documentary, yeah.

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#5 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:17 pm

Not sure about the Charlie Rose interview but all those other contributors are solid. This has been one of my arthouse blindspots so I'm glad I can finally see it at last in 4k!

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#6 Post by colinr0380 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:28 pm

Whilst this is his first film as a director to enter the collection (fingers crossed for Yellow Earth!), of course this is not Chen Kaige's first appearance in the Criterion Collection, as Bertolucci called on both him and Zhang Yimou to assist with marshalling all of the extras during the location shooting for The Last Emperor. Chen Kaige himself has a small acting appearance as the Imperial Guard demanding that the young Pu Yi be removed from his mother and taken to the Forbidden City at the beginning of that film.

Sadly since his heyday in the 1990s with this film (and its great follow up re-teaming Leslie Cheung and Gong Li in a gorgeous period setting, Temptress Moon), and an unfortunately badly received stab at an English language erotic thriller with the Heather Graham and Joseph Fiennes film Killing Me Softly, it looks as if in these newly pragmatic Xi Jingping-dominated times that Chen Kaige has also had to start playing the jingoistic war propaganda game, although I have as yet not steeled myself into managing to work up the courage to sit down with The Battle At Lake Changjin and its sequel Water Gate Bridge, both of which he co-directs with Tsui Hark and Dante Lam.

(And of course technically this film co-won the 1993 Palme D'or, as it shared the honour together with The Piano)

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#7 Post by beamish14 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:57 pm

Of Kaige’s recent work, I tried watching his highly topical Caught in the Web recently and thought it was pretty excruciating

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#8 Post by Randall Maysin Again » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:18 pm

no Gu Changwei interview...Criterion is not back in the game yet...

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#9 Post by Mr Sausage » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:57 pm

It was hard to reconcile my memory of this movie with the experience of watching Battle at Lake Changjin. I remember Concubine as a sensitive, deeply felt movie, ie. everything antithetical to the jingoistic wartime propaganda of the CCP. Tsui had made nationalist epics before, so his involvement wasn’t strange (even if his contribution was limited mostly to the battle sequences of the second part), and Dante Lam I don’t know well enough to feel one way or the other. Bu Chen’s involvement is puzzling. What was going through his mind while filming such inauthentic melodrama? Did it bother him that the characters were flat and totemic, meant to represent nationalist ideals about the self-sacrificing common soldier, when he had made his name on movies about complex, nuanced people whose interactions with history were ambivalent? I’m assuming he was brought on to helm the dramatic scenes, such as they are, but nothing in their perfunctory gaudiness and sentimentality would suggest the hand behind Farewell My Concubine.

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#10 Post by feihong » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:31 pm

Chen Kaige has steadily attempted to "sell out" or "cash in" after Concubine––I remember a sappy movie about a kid violinist and his bad dad called "Together," which played well to the lowbrow end of the art movie scene, and the painfully disastrous big budget CGI-fest, The Promise. He apparently was incensed when his cinematographer, Zhang Yimou, made more money than him when Red Sorghum was an arthouse hit. In a way, Farewell My Concubine was already Chen's more crowd-pleasing attempt to outdo the Zhang Yimou who was making Red Sorghum and Raise the Red Lantern. But I'd say a lot of Chen Kaige's post-Farewell My Concubine films struggle to find coherent narrative or tone, struggle maintaining an equilibrium between artful and sensitive and an obvious attempt to milk audience's knee-jerk response to schmaltz––and you can often feel Chen himself struggling to put his finger on the zeitgeist. Not many filmmakers with as much skill as Chen are more helpless against revealing their own flopsweat in order to have a hit; I think we see the compromises Chen makes all the time, as well as his insecurity about where his film is headed. Adding to that, it seems much harder to get a movie made in contemporary China, harder to get the subject matter approved. These propaganda films have also, in general, become flatter, less creative affairs over the last decade. The difference, to me, between the splashier, more auteur-driven creativity in The Taking of Tiger Mountain and the far duller Snipers or Cliffwalkers seems significant. I have yet to subject myself to Battle at Lake Changjin, though.

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#11 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:29 am

The issue is that things appear to be so complex to navigate in China, and only getting more so, and whilst the Fifth Generation were able to thrive with their ‘arthouse’ films during that “Golden Age” of the 80s to mid 1990s, their films played to a limited audience and were mostly guaranteed international festival (and television) play that secured their incomes (as with say Ken Loach here in the UK). Unfortunately there was a big turn in the Chinese film industry towards jingoistic blockbuster commercialism, aping Hollywood (and subsuming the Hong Kong industry for its action expertise), and removing any kind of subsidies for the arts, which has only become worse under Xi Jingping’s worryingly ultra-Maoist 2.0 regime (just with the Little Red Book replaced with the QR code enabled smartphone) that demands overt ideological propaganda, which has led to a kind of ‘conform or die’ approach.

So I do not completely blame directors (or actors, especially big names like Jackie Chan) having to bend the knee to the regime, and who knows maybe they wholeheartedly support what is going on (I have my suspicions about Zhang Yimou! You can’t make Hero, let alone direct the 2008 Beijing Olympics, without being somewhat aware of your complicity!), especially in the wake of disappearances of actors, or people having their roles scrubbed out of the record entirely after their transgressions against the regime (which may be another way that the CCP has been copying the West, just for different reasons!), but it is still disappointing to see the way things have been going.

Incidentally that may be why you should not be surprised if you do not hear too much about the homosexual desire aspect of this film, or it gets played down in the features on the disc, because Chen Kaige publicly disavowed that it was a film about unrequited gay desire. Which may be surprising to Western eyes due to that aspect being almost impossible not to notice, and which was often the aspect being celebrated by international critics at festivals (the same way that Zhang Yimou’s run of classics with Gong Li could be seen as feminist works, if you somewhat overlook the idea that they are also mostly gloriously romantic tragedies about those 'tall poppies' who stand out also inevitably being crushed by the unassailable, and unquestionable regime). However there has recently been the CCPs official condemnation of ‘sissypants’ beautiful young men (only made harder to deal with in recent years by the relentless assault on Chinese shores of an influx of pretty boy K-Pop singers!) as softening the moral values of the fighting men of the country, which makes talking about homosexuality somewhat of a taboo there.

However in some ways by scraping away that ‘superficial’ aspect about gay desire it may accidentally end up making Farewell, My Concubine into an even more subversive film! Because it then more obviously becomes a political statement about how people are forced into taking on roles in their society not because they may particularly want (or desire) to, but because that has been deemed to be their position. What can you put up with? Are you constrained by the life you are born into, no matter how much you wish it were different? You’re groomed from childhood to be the concubine in the production now, and will always be the girl and not the lover, just the ersatz stage-bound ultimate figure of female desire playing against the macho man (who himself was and is inescapably fixed forever into the role of the aloof and somewhat brusquely uncaring Royal) until the ‘real’ woman comes along: you just have to live with it until there is nothing of the ‘real you’ left, and only the role remains to express your desires. If they truly are ‘yours’ and not more properly those of the character you have lived your entire life impersonating.

Now that’s a metaphor that goes beyond sexuality and unrequited love (though it is an a glorious example of that) into the constraints that society puts onto everyone, in every aspect of their lives, having to play their part in the regime whatever their true feelings may be. The political, the artistic, the relationship, the gender aspects are all intertwined in such a tragically complicated way in this film.

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#12 Post by MichaelB » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:27 am

colinr0380 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:29 am
The issue is that things appear to be so complex to navigate in China, and only getting more so, and whilst the Fifth Generation were able to thrive with their ‘arthouse’ films during that “Golden Age” of the 80s to mid 1990s, their films played to a limited audience and were mostly guaranteed international festival (and television) play that secured their incomes (as with say Ken Loach here in the UK).
There are plenty of filmmakers who do indeed adopt just such a model, but I'm not sure that Ken Loach is a particularly good example. Over the last three-and-a-half decades, he and his producers Sally Hibbin and Rebecca O'Brien have made use of a surprisingly durable funding model based on the fact that he has small but reliable audiences in several European countries - notably France (where his films generally take three times as much money as anywhere else; I interviewed O'Brien about this and she said she was very grateful but never really understood why), Spain, Italy and Germany.

Because Loach doesn't need massive budgets, and you generally know exactly what sort of film you're likely to get from him, this means that they can be financed by pre-selling the rights so that, say, Germany pays a comparatively small sum in exchange for a film that's all but guaranteed to break even and which might even turn a small profit.

So although he operates on a very small scale, he has more in common with mainstream commercial filmmakers than those whose films rarely play much beyond festivals. Eric Rohmer is another one who managed to sustain a very prolific career on the back of being an unspectacular but generally solid investment.

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#13 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:42 am

MichaelB -- And HONG Sangsoo seems to follow the Rohmer film financing model as well.

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#14 Post by Mr Sausage » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:13 am

colin### wrote:Incidentally that may be why you should not be surprised if you do not hear too much about the homosexual desire aspect of this film, or it gets played down in the features on the disc, because Chen Kaige publicly disavowed that it was a film about unrequited gay desire. Which may be surprising to Western eyes due to that aspect being almost impossible not to notice, and which was often the aspect being celebrated by international critics at festivals (the same way that Zhang Yimou’s run of classics with Gong Li could be seen as feminist works, if you somewhat overlook the idea that they are also mostly gloriously romantic tragedies about those 'tall poppies' who stand out also inevitably being crushed by the unassailable, and unquestionable regime). However there has recently been the CCPs official condemnation of ‘sissypants’ beautiful young men (only made harder to deal with in recent years by the relentless assault on Chinese shores of an influx of pretty boy K-Pop singers!) as softening the moral values of the fighting men of the country, which makes talking about homosexuality somewhat of a taboo there.

However in some ways by scraping away that ‘superficial’ aspect about gay desire it may accidentally end up making Farewell, My Concubine into an even more subversive film! Because it then more obviously becomes a political statement about how people are forced into taking on roles in their society not because they may particularly want (or desire) to, but because that has been deemed to be their position. What can you put up with? Are you constrained by the life you are born into, no matter how much you wish it were different? You’re groomed from childhood to be the concubine in the production now, and will always be the girl and not the lover, just the ersatz stage-bound ultimate figure of female desire playing against the macho man (who himself was and is inescapably fixed forever into the role of the aloof and somewhat brusquely uncaring Royal) until the ‘real’ woman comes along: you just have to live with it until there is nothing of the ‘real you’ left, and only the role remains to express your desires. If they truly are ‘yours’ and not more properly those of the character you have lived your entire life impersonating.
Tsui's Peking Opera Blues suggests that historically there was a culture in China of men publicly wooing the female stars, ie. they wooed the male actors who customarily played the female roles. There's a whole subplot about that, which is played for laughs, but not because it's gay. It's played for the exact laughs it would get if the male-as-female actor were simply a popular female actor who has to avoid the amorous affections of an ugly rich patron. And in general no one in the movie treats this situation as strange or even registers that the actor is question is male; they treat the actor as socially female and navigating a traditionally feminine situation. Overall, the movie gives the impression there was significant social and personal bleed between actor and role in the Peking Opera, that the nominally male actors who specialized in female roles were also treated socially and culturally as women. (This is good context for one of the three main characters, a woman who likes to wear male dress both because it gets her taken more seriously, but also because she just seems to like it. Late in the film she will adopt more feminine clothes for a scene, but treats it as play and the clothes as a costume).

So while Farewell My Concubine is undoubtably queer, and I believe Leslie Cheung was even out at this point, I could see Chen not making the film with modern gender identity in mind. It does seem to be playing with the same social and cultural norms we see in Peking Opera Blues, that slippage between actor and mask that turned male actors into women both on and off stage.

Funnily, just the year before Farewell My Concubine saw the release of Swordsman II, which was a big hit in Hong Kong (and maybe China as well?) precisely because of the popularity of the Brigitte Lin chararacter, a man who castrates himself for ultimate power and spends the narrative not just slowly transforming into a woman, but embracing and luxuriating in her growing femininity, even carrying on a romance with Jet Li. The character was so popular it not only became a role played ever since by female actors when it had traditionally been a role for males, but also spawned a 1993 sequel centred on the character, The East is Red, which doubles down on the themes of gender and identity to produce a fantasia of shifting, mutable identities, gender and otherwise. No doubt there were a lot of straight cis men who kinda, sorta wished they could wake up one morning looking like Brigitte Lin.

And then there are traditional Chinese stories like The Butterfly Loves, later adapted by Tsui into a wonderful movie, that's about a woman seeking an education by cross-dressing as a man and falling in love with one of their fellow students. I haven't seen Stanley Kwan's documentary Yang ± Yin yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes into all this. There seems to be a lot in Chinese culture that bends traditional ideas of gender and makes that nominally heteronormative society seem a lot less hetero. Farewell My Concubine, whether intended as queer in the modern sense or not, is plainly engaging with that bending in an upfront way. It's a shame Chen felt the need to distance himself. He can, after all, simply claim it's traditional!

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#15 Post by pistolwink » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:35 pm

Chen Kaige is someone who really seemed to chafe against official censorship, less about politics than about eroticism. Which is why, when he made his inevitable sojourn to Hollywood in the early 2000s, he made an erotic thriller*, Killing Me Softly. I'm guessing he doesn't talk much about that one these days.

As for Chinese stars and directors and the regime, I don't think the phrase "bending the knee" is appropriate to Jackie Chan, who long ago, back before the handover, was already voicing nationalist and authoritarian sentiments. He's been an enthusiastic toady, while others have participated in some of the nationalist blockbuster spectacles while privately maintaining distance from the regime—Chow Yun-fat being a prominent example.

*Generically speaking. The actual film is neither erotic nor thrilling.

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#16 Post by Mr Sausage » Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:14 pm

What about John Woo? I never got the impression he was much interested in nationalism and jingoism. He was one of the first to jump ship to America in anticipation of the hand over, and while I haven’t seen them, I don’t get the impression his two big Chinese historical epics are nationalist spectacles, let alone propaganda.

Another major director who’s resisted this trend is of course Johnnie To.

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#17 Post by domino harvey » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:20 pm

Back to the film at hand, I will say that this is a wonderful movie and I'd encourage anyone who thinks they wouldn't enjoy it to give it a chance-- it's a fascinating and captivating epic that is so specific in its story that it's a real one of a kind treat

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#18 Post by Finch » Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:22 pm

It was one of my first arthouse cinema viewings and such a moving experience that it compelled me to seek out more foreign language films but Asian cinema in particular. My strong identification with Leslie Cheung's character's same sex attraction helped confirm to me even as a teenager that I didn't want to live a lie in a heterosexual relationship. I cannot wait to see the new restoration.

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#19 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:30 am

The other contemporaneous film to compare this with is Cronenberg's M Butterfly, which got almost obliterated from the record by Farewell, My Concubine and I seem to remember rather unfair critical comparisons of John Lone's 'believeability' in their role to Leslie Cheung and the previous year's Jaye Davidson in The Crying Game, although that rather overlooked the idea that M Butterfly is about a relationship that is almost willfully blind to any aspect beyond the sexual obsession, as everyone's identities and motivations (sexually or politically) become opaque so as to not ruin the moment and keep the fantasy going for as long as possible rather than bluntly ruining it by explicitly defining everyone's roles. So lack of 'believeability' kind of works in this case as the very obvious yet simultaneously unstated and ignored aspect! It is strange film, though for any Cronenberg fan it is worth a watch as a film that is kind of bridging the philosophical divide between Naked Lunch and Crash.
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Back to the film at hand, I will say that this is a wonderful movie and I'd encourage anyone who thinks they wouldn't enjoy it to give it a chance-- it's a fascinating and captivating epic that is so specific in its story that it's a real one of a kind treat
1993 was a stunning year for Chinese cinema doing that, with both this and The Blue Kite, which is a film that desperately needs to be rediscovered.

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#20 Post by domino harvey » Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:42 pm

I primarily know the Blue Kite because it was vocally championed by Roger Ebert and it didn't seem like the kind of movie that would receive that level of attention from him, but it didn't quite work because I haven't watched it yet!

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#21 Post by beamish14 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:49 am

The Blue Kite is astonishing. I cannot believe it ever slipped past Chinese censors and made it into production. Of course, it’s only been available in North America via an atrocious, washed-out Kino Lorber DVD from 20+ years ago

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#22 Post by MichaelB » Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:39 am

I was in Cannes when it was screened. The Chinese protested that they were showing it clandestinely, to which the Cannes team replied "No, we're showing it openly" - and I can attest to that, because they let me in.

(And it is indeed superb.)

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#23 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:58 am

I have very fond memories of spending the school holidays of Summer 1995 reading Wild Swans by Jung Chang and then in the midst of reading that The Blue Kite turning up on television, both of which sort of gave me a rather brutal crash course in 20th century Chinese history (which helped when Farewell My Concubine turned up on television as the big Christmas Day film of that same year! Well, you had the choice between that or Indecent Proposal on at the same time, but who in their right mind would choose Indecent Proposal out of those two films?)

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#24 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:05 pm

I saw The Blue Kite only one time way back when I was a kid - a relative rented it, possibly from the library in what was likely VHS format, and it left an enormous impression. I can probably identify fragments rather than retell the whole plot, but I still remember those bits very clearly - the acting alone was superb and it's impossible to recall the tragic ending without contrasting it to the joyful expression on a certain character's face earlier in the picture.

It's possible I saw Raise the Red Lantern around then because it also reached a mainstream audience and was a staple of rental stores that had a "foreign language" section, but otherwise those were really the only two Chinese films I was aware of until years later when I began looking into it in earnest.

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